Mary Baker Eddy and the 1st degree of mortal mind: depravity

Depravity in the first degree:

Let’s try to define what some of these states of mind are, one by one. All definitions are from Miriam Webster.

Evil beliefs,

a : morally reprehensible : sinful, wicked <an evil impulse>

b : arising from actual or imputed bad character or conduct <a person of evil reputation2 a archaic : inferiorb : causing discomfort or repulsion : offensive <an evil odor>c : disagreeable <woke late and in an evil temper>a : causing harm : pernicious <the evil institution of slavery>b : marked by misfortune : unlucky


 a : the sufferings of Christ between the night of the Last Supper and his deathb : an oratorio based on a gospel narrative of the Passionobsolete : suffering 3: the state or capacity of being acted on by external agents or forces 4 a (1) : emotion <his ruling passion is greed> (2) plural : the emotions as distinguished from reason b : intense, driving, or overmastering feeling or conviction c : an outbreak of anger 5a : ardent affection : love b : a strong liking or desire for or devotion to some activity, object, or concept c : sexual desire d : an object of desire or deep interest

and appetites,

: any of the instinctive desires necessary to keep up organic life; especially : the desire to eat 2 a : an inherent craving <an insatiable appetite for work> b : taste, preference <the cultural appetites of the time — J. D. Hart>


archaic : frighten 2 archaic : to feel fear in (oneself) 3: to have a reverential awe of <fear God> 4 : to be afraid of : expect with alarm <fear the worst>

depraved will,

: marked by corruption or evil; especially : perverted; : desire, wish <call it what you will>


: the act or an instance of making excuses for oneself


1: the quality or state of being proud: asa : inordinate self-esteem : conceit b : a reasonable or justifiable self-respect c : delight or elation arising from some act, possession, or relationship <parental pride 2: proud or disdainful behavior or treatment : disdain 3 a : ostentatious display b : highest pitch : prime4 : a source of pride : the best in a group or class 5: a company of lions 6: a showy or impressive group <a pride of dancers>


: painful or resentful awareness of an advantage enjoyed by another joined with a desire to possess the same advantage 2 obsolete : malice  3: an object of envious notice or feeling <his new car made him the envy of his friends>


: the act or practice of deceiving : deception2: an attempt or device to deceive : trick 3: the quality of being deceitful : deceitfulness


:hate 2 : prejudiced hostility or animosity <old racial prejudices and national hatreds — Peter Thomson>


: to avenge (as oneself) usually by retaliating in kind or degree 2 : to inflict injury in return for <revenge an insult>


a : an offense against religious or moral law b : an action that is or is felt to be highly reprehensible <it’s a sin to waste food> c : an often serious shortcoming : fault 2 a : transgression of the law of God b : a vitiated state of human nature in which the self is estranged from God

sickness, disease”1

a : ill health : illness b : a disordered, weakened, or unsound condition 2: a specific disease 3 :nausea, queasiness
In many cases, the words have different meanings and it is sometimes hard to pick what may have been her choice of meaning.
I summed them up in the following list, but the list is a first draft.
.Evil beliefs and sinfulness are closely related to depraved will, as both are closely related  are passions and appetites.
.Fear stands alone as the single emotion that blocks growth, personal evolution, and healing. Fear is stress made                manifest on the body.
.Sin is a transgression of some law of God or a state of estrangement from God.
.Pride has many degrees that are not sinful. Ostentation is overly prideful and bragging.
.Envy is also on a continuum. Unresentful envy is motivating. Resentful envy only hurts the owner of the emotion.
.Deceit has many uses, most of them good as far as persons go. Deceit and lies that harm others are moral flaws.
.Hatred is strong feeling against something or some else and revenge is actions taken out of hatred for real or imaged actions against the self.
Evil beliefs are mental and can include beliefs based on fear. Sinful degrees of pride are often based on a negative belief of lack of worth or self worth. Envy is based on a negative belief that one can’t have or do what someone else has or has done. Fear and hatred are closely linked;  fear may arise out of hate or hate may arise from fear.
Depraved will is beyond having thoughts; it is acting upon oneself or another. Depraved will, like acting out of hatred or revenge for another person has the element of need/desire to control  another by performing negative acts toward the person. It is pretty ambiguous. It may be closely related to appetites and passions and may reflect desires and actions toward another human that do not occur out in the open.
If Mary were not such a circuitous thinker, she would have named any kind of sexuality other than for procreation as sinful and depraved as well putting it in the the major category of  evil beliefs. A bi-sexual libertine at an orgy was probably as evil and depraved as it gets in her mind, if she could imagine it at all. But anyone masturbating under any circumstances shows depraved will and lack of self control. The drinking of alcohol was depraved will. Making someone give her own birth child away over her objections, is depraved will.
I think this vocabulary shows that Mary did not want to think this subject through, or look at anything depraved as a matter of degree. Which lack leaves me free to develop a model of mortal mind that is more complete and balanced.
Depravity is a noun that covered a lot of ambiguous ground for Mary, ground that she couldn’t deal with. Another term would move this concept of un-evolved mortal mind into the 21st century.

Definition of GROUP MIND 1: the beliefs and desires common to a social group as a whole 2: a hypothetical psychic unity or collective consciousness of a group of individuals.

There is no shortage of theories about the group mind and the collective unconscious. Group minds are usually studied as sample groups of people sharing an interest. In this sense, the collective unconscious includes all sub-group minds.

The collective unconscious  is a useful term for all individual sub-consciousnesses and sub-group minds on earth, combined. In Jungian psychology,

Jung distinguished the collective unconscious from the personal unconscious, in that the personal unconscious is a personal reservoir of experience unique to each individual, while the collective unconscious collects and organizes experiences with all mankind. It is the product of ancestral experience and contains such concepts as science, religion, and morality as well as the ideal forms, which are called archetypes.

Matching Quote
“Science and Technology revolutionize our lives, but memory, tradition and myth frame our response. Expelled from individual consciousness by the rush of change, history finds its revenge by stamping the collective unconscious with habits, values, expectations, dreams. The dialectic between past and future will continue to form our lives.”

-Arthur M. Schlesinger, Jr.

Like Freud, Jung believes that the human mind contains archaic remnants, residues of the long history and evolution of mankind. In the unconscious, primordial “universally human images” lie dormant. Those primordial images are the most ancient, universal and “deep” thoughts of mankind. Since they embody feelings as much as thought, they are properly “thought feelings.” Where Freud postulates a mass psyche, Jung postulates a collective psyche.

Jung himself said: My thesis then, is as follows: in addition to our immediate consciousness, which is of a thoroughly personal nature and which we believe to be the only empirical psyche (even if we tack on the personal unconscious as an appendix), there exists a second psychic system of a collective, universal, and impersonal nature which is identical in all individuals. This collective unconscious does not develop individually but is inherited. It consists of pre-existent forms, the archetypes, which can only become conscious secondarily and which give definite form to certain psychic contents.”.[1]

That is pretty much what Mary Baker Eddy called “mortal mind”. It has its remnants and residues from the deepest past, the collective human opinion of today, and its unrealizable perfection of the archetypes manifested into local and temporal forms. I really like Schlesinger’s remark, “The dialectic between past and future will continue to form our lives.”

Definition of DIALECTIC 1: logic 1a(1) 2 a : discussion and reasoning by dialogue as a method of intellectual investigation; specifically : the Socratic techniques of exposing false beliefs and eliciting truth b : the Platonic investigation of the eternal ideas 3: the logic of fallacy 4 a : the Hegelian process of change in which a concept or its realization passes over into and is preserved and fulfilled by its opposite; also : the critical investigation of this process b (1) usually plural but singular or plural in construction : development through the stages of thesis, antithesis, and synthesis in accordance with the laws of dialectical materialism (2) : the investigation of this process (3) : the theoretical application of this process especially in the social sciences. 5 usually plural but singular or plural in construction a : any systematic reasoning, exposition, or argument that juxtaposes opposed or contradictory ideas and usually seeks to resolve their conflict b : an intellectual exchange of ideas 6: the dialectical tension or opposition between two interacting forces or elements.

Christian Science practitioners want to expose false beliefs and elicit truth. My hope in this blog is to  resolve the conflict between mortal mind and MBE by an exchange of ideas. Even though she is not here to answer me directly, her opinions are available for me to answer and comment on.

Mary Baker Eddy’s definition of mortal mind was not as well thought out and definitive as Jung’s, but is is easy to subsume her ideas under Jung’s. The collective unconscious is the nature of the beast that Mary Baker Eddy defied and tried to overrule.

What Mortal Mind Can’t Influence;

What Can MM Influence for better or for worse?


Cultural Human opinions

Universal Laws

Personal Opinions

The Universe



Growth and Longevity


Human Attitudes

Need for Breathing

Human Emotions:

Need for Eating


Need for Procreation


Death DEATH, yes Death

Proclivities to develop dis-ease

Hardwired genetics ie eye, hair color

The Immune System

Germs and viruses

Mental Health

Science based Materia Medica

……..+ or – self concepts

Collective Group Mind

……..+ or – Mental Programming


Nature of Psychosis

The collective shadow

The Personal Shadow


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